After all, I read this on Andrew Sullivan’s site.
I’m tired of people believing that Gibson is representing Catholicism. He isn’t. He is a rebel against Catholicism, specifically the reformed, open, repentant Catholicism of the Second Vatican Council.
#@^%$(!*@&#%)!@
How. Dare. You.
You the champion of shedding our sexual bonds and calling it conscience.
You of the lecturing and finger pointing about the need to accept *your* lifestyle and call it sacred.
You of parroting anti-religious screeds.
You of using a terrible tragedy in the Church to score points in your crusade for aforementioned lifestyle.
How dare you, Andrew.
If I get two things for Christmas, here’s what they’d be. 1) Michael Bloomberg would stop calling himself a Republican, and you’d stop peddling the charade that you’re a Catholic.
Andrew Sullivan continues to lose any respect I may have had for him. Today, he takes a cheap shot at Mel Gibson.
GIBSON ON NON-CATHOLICS: They’re all going to hell. That includes all those evangelicals who are flocking to his movie and even his wife.
Sully is referring to this quote by Gibson:
Gibson, interviewed by the Herald Sun in Australia, was asked if Protestants are denied eternal salvation. “There is no salvation for those outside the (Catholic) church,” Gibson replied. “I believe it.”
He elaborated: “Put it this way. My wife is a saint. She’s a much better person than I am. Honestly. She’s, like, Episcopalian, Church of England. She prays, she believes in God, she knows Jesus, she believes in that stuff. And it’s just not fair if she doesn’t make it; she’s better than I am. But that is a pronouncement from the chair. I go with it.”
So – does Mel say what Sully says he says? Not exactly – and Sullivan damn well knows better. Salvation outside the Church is hardly a new issue for Catholic theologians – and volumes have been written about it. The crux of the issue is this: what does “outside the Church mean?” Are all Protestants outside the Church?
Here’s a good piece on the issue, but the bottom line is that Sullivan *knows* that in the context of Catholic theology, many, many, many (a majority even? a supermajority?) Protestants are part of the Catholic church even if they don’t claim it themselves. It’s about what you believe, not what you call yourself, in this case.
#16 says: “For they who without their own fault do not know of the Gospel of Christ and His Church, but yet seek God with sincere heart, and try, under the influence of grace, to carry out His will in
practice, known to them through the dictate of conscience, can attain eternal salvation.” John Paul II in his Encyclical on the Missions in #10 says the same [underline added]: “For such people [those who do not formally enter the Church, as in LG 16] salvation in Christ is accessible by virtue of a grace which, while having a mysterious relationship to the Church, does not make them
part of the Church.” We underline the word “formally” to indicated that there may be something less than formal membership, which yet suffices for salvation. A similar thought is found in LG #14 which says “they are fully incorporated” who accept all its organization. . . . .” We will show presently that there can be a lesser, or substantial membership, which suffices for salvation.
You don’t have to agree with the idea to acknowledge that it exists and allow that this is what Gibson believes.
I have a sneaking suspicion that Gregg (why the hell does he have two “g”s anyway?!) has been to lots of prayer breakfasts but has never actually been around/involved with the events surrounding it.
Don’t tell my good friends from Kansas that bring 20-25 friends from the small business world to Washington every year to build their own relationships around God – and use the prayer breakfast as a vehicle.
Don’t tell that same man who, after last year’s Prayer breakfast, met officials from Burundi – and then WENT there to help them learn how to build roads, something sorely lacking in a country torn by war and poverty for more than a decade.
In fact, someone pray for Easterbrook.
Well, looks like a has-been and a desperately-wants-to-be have decided to weigh in on the Passion, and they’re taking the side of the ADL.
I would note that the article is pretty sketchy, and I wouldn’t put it past the ADL to make a mountain out of a molehill when it comes to people voicing what might be tepid support for their position.
On the other hand, the diminutive Gary Bauer has apparently waded into the fray without yet seeing the film. No word yet on Franklin Graham’s thoguhts.
By the way, Gary – how goes life in politics? Pretty lonely after you take a nice big crap on all your friends, ain’t it?
Outstanding. A Bishop laying down the law to Catholic politicians that support abortion. I mean, if we’re gonna get accused of running everything on the planet on our way to being the Whore of Babylon, the least we can do is discipline our own a bit.
Hat tip to Younce.
Scumbag.
In denying that the Senate Judiciary Democrats are anti-Catholic, Leahy just said, quote — “part of Catholic doctrine is to be against the death penalty.”
1) No it’s not.
2) It certainly doesn’t equate with being pro-abortion.
the boston clergy scandal
If you’ve not heard of it..you haven’t been watching the news at all. Today, the former Catholic priest John Goegham was sentenced to the maximum of 9-10 years in prision today. (he still awaits sentencing on another conviction, and trial for the rape of a child)
He got what he deserved, at least on this earth. I expect much worse awaits him.